Comments on: Looking Forward to the Past http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/ This is where Fr Antonios writes his contemplations Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:21:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Looking Forward to the Past by: Nathan http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-1518 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:28:45 +0000 http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-1518 So then, Yusab II died in 1956, being in exile since 1954, and there are two years in which the committee of three metropolitans managed the affairs of the church in his absence. HH Kyrillos VI was ordained in 1959 (I assume that during the period between 1956-1959 the same committee of metropolitans was acting). What I want to know is; did the 'search' for a new patriarch begin in 1954, or after Yusab's death in 1956? Does 'relieving' him from his office also deprive him of his patriarchal rank, in which case a new patriarch could have been ordained in 1954? Or did they have to wait till after his death, because although he was 'relieved' of his duties, he was still considered the legitimate patriarch so long as he was alive, but perhaps 'in retirement'? So then, Yusab II died in 1956, being in exile since 1954, and there are two years in which the committee of three metropolitans managed the affairs of the church in his absence. HH Kyrillos VI was ordained in 1959 (I assume that during the period between 1956-1959 the same committee of metropolitans was acting).
What I want to know is; did the ’search’ for a new patriarch begin in 1954, or after Yusab’s death in 1956?
Does ‘relieving’ him from his office also deprive him of his patriarchal rank, in which case a new patriarch could have been ordained in 1954?
Or did they have to wait till after his death, because although he was ‘relieved’ of his duties, he was still considered the legitimate patriarch so long as he was alive, but perhaps ‘in retirement’?

]]> Comment on Looking Forward to the Past by: Fr. Antonios Kaldas http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-1493 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:52:38 +0000 http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-1493 Hi Nathan So far as I know, Anba Yusab II was never excommunicated. He was simply relieved of duties. So yes, he remains a bona fide patriarch in the diptych. It is important perhaps to note his years of faithful service as a bishop and metropolitan before his patriarchate went so horribly wrong. Fr ant Hi Nathan

So far as I know, Anba Yusab II was never excommunicated. He was simply relieved of duties. So yes, he remains a bona fide patriarch in the diptych. It is important perhaps to note his years of faithful service as a bishop and metropolitan before his patriarchate went so horribly wrong.

Fr ant

]]> Comment on Looking Forward to the Past by: Nathan http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-1487 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:31:36 +0000 http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-1487 Yusab II is still mentioned in the diptychs is he not? Then his exile was not an excommunication and he is still a legitimate Patriach? Or was the relief of his papal duties also a stripping of his episcopacy (in which case he wouldve been defrocked, and shouldnt be mentioned in the diptychs)? Yusab II is still mentioned in the diptychs is he not?
Then his exile was not an excommunication and he is still a legitimate Patriach?
Or was the relief of his papal duties also a stripping of his episcopacy (in which case he wouldve been defrocked, and shouldnt be mentioned in the diptychs)?

]]> Comment on Looking Forward to the Past by: Mathew.T.P http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-441 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:38:34 +0000 http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-441 I too may be a stranger here as Jasmine.From the Indian Orthodox church,my greatest consolation encouragement and hope has been Pope Shenoda3 & His Holiness's books.This article strengethens furthur my faith in orthodoxy as the only true way out of disaster for humanity.Long live the Coptic church who gave birth to this gem of a human being as Pope Shenouda3.Thanks for the article. I too may be a stranger here as Jasmine.From the Indian Orthodox church,my greatest consolation encouragement and hope has been Pope Shenoda3 & His Holiness’s books.This article strengethens furthur my faith in orthodoxy as the only true way out of disaster for humanity.Long live the Coptic church who gave birth to this gem of a human being as Pope Shenouda3.Thanks for the article.

]]> Comment on Looking Forward to the Past by: Tony http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-402 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:59:27 +0000 http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-402 I agree with Jasmine. I agree with Jasmine.

]]> Comment on Looking Forward to the Past by: Jasmine http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-392 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:20:04 +0000 http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-392 I maybe a stranger here, but Abouna I ask for your blessing please. Thank you for writing this article. I'm an Armenian Orthodox and I found this post to be very encouraging. There are a lot of issues in my church... Of course, there are issues in every church, but the situation with the Armenian Church is a tricky one which involves politics, nationalism, and attempts to preserve our faith rather than to revive it. I know of many in my church who have lost hope or have left the faith because of not so great leaders in the church and because of lack of progress. I learned a lot from this post about faith and about the Church and that no one person or even a few people can destroy the church. Thanks again Abouna. I really feel that God brought me to read this article for a reason. May God bless you.. I maybe a stranger here, but Abouna I ask for your blessing please. Thank you for writing this article. I’m an Armenian Orthodox and I found this post to be very encouraging. There are a lot of issues in my church… Of course, there are issues in every church, but the situation with the Armenian Church is a tricky one which involves politics, nationalism, and attempts to preserve our faith rather than to revive it. I know of many in my church who have lost hope or have left the faith because of not so great leaders in the church and because of lack of progress. I learned a lot from this post about faith and about the Church and that no one person or even a few people can destroy the church. Thanks again Abouna. I really feel that God brought me to read this article for a reason. May God bless you..

]]> Comment on Looking Forward to the Past by: Paul Iskander http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-391 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:22:12 +0000 http://www.stbishoy.org.au/modules/wordpress/2008/04/07/looking-forward-to-the-past/#comment-391 I am ready for that test abouna bring it on I am ready for that test abouna bring it on

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